0. I think that any clear defeat is a stomp. One desires to rule supreme; the oth… If not, he should probably win more times than not. Round 4: Palpatine's even more powerful than in round 3, so.... yeah...... @silver2467: Well not all is lost while you're still around. Plagueis needs to be implemented narratively more; there is plenty that can still be done with his character. Strength. When does Sidious learn essence transfer? 0. Tens of kilometers with ranged powers. I don't know if it's fair to say Sidious would destroy, but personally, I find that the TPM round is the only truly debatable round. but does Plagueis haves a chance against RotS Sidious? Bump. Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious, two extraordinarily powerful Sith Lords, each bearing their own unique abilities and traits. On … --Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary. Planet level with Force amplification (Regeneration makes him difficult to kill). @shootingnova: I never meant his weight, I meant his opposition strength and his reaction to it, pretty sure that prime Sidious could oppose Vader's grab by his superior physical abilities. Summary. This, in my opinion, settles the matter I mulled over on the previous page and can be interpreted to mean that the physical power other eras have certified him with can be attributed to Rebellion era Palpatine as well. But whatever decision to Chanel their respective force power is , It's going to be an absolute slugging match, with Plagueis caving slowly. However, I'd argue that your quote is more ambiguous and "sustained him well beyond his years" may simply refer to something like his health. if palpatine was to win probably in a saber duell but plagueis would win with his force lightening, palpatine couldnt hold up with his lightening beacause he weakens up pretty quick like in the duell with mace windu. I interpret the phrase "sustained him beyond his years," the contrast with his disfigurements, and the references to his age to implicitly state that Palpatine's physical strength endured. During the events of Episode 1, Darth Plagueis is still alive, although he is never mentioned or seen on screen (Plagueis wasn't killed until Palpatine was Chancellor). @shootingnova: Pretty good find, but does "physically weaker" mean "slower in a duel" or anything like that? Strength. He was a Sith Apprentice. Durability. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. One Sith Lord more powerful than Vader was mentioned by Senator Palpatine on-screen in Revenge of the Sith. By the way, I checked and found evidence of Lucas's 80% Vader quote. Although I do believe that a few of those quotes in regards to Palpatine's supremacy as a Sith were set around this time, meaning he would be more powerful than Plagueis. Power. Does it mean both? But I can agree about his force powers, RotJ Sidious is probably stronger than RotS Sidious in terms of Force powers. Sidious equals Dooku. This is the second time I have posted some new showing for Palpatine, but there are no new showings for Plagueis to balance it out. Round 1: TPM Palpatine would be the Palpatine by the end of the Darth Plagueis novel, so I think this is probably the main one Plagueis has a chance of winning. plagueis allways was expanding his abilities and tried to play god with his force powers.palpatine used his knowledge to get to his final goal and as he had enough of that he killed plagueis, hes not that interested of being the most powerfull in the universe it was just for the means of the purpose. I guess that might leave it more open to discussion in this thread whether RotJ Palpatine is weaker than his previous self or not and makes that round more debatable. Intelligence: Skilled and experienced combatant. Individuals with warrior-like seasoning and unique powers that our male-ingénue sith lord hasn't encountered or has no knowledge of, can take a majority against him. Round 2: I'm not fully sure how Palpatine has improved since TPM, as I believe most of the stuff he did in between was stuff he could already do by TPM. Maul being trained as a powerful Assassin is irrelevant to Sidious honing Maul originally more as a weapon then a true Sith Lord. Plagueis wins narrowly - he better watch that respirator. But it is still a nice showing nonetheless. Also helped orchestrate Darth Sidious' rise to Chancellorship and furthered the Grand Plan along more than previous generations of Banite Sith had ever done. Who will win in a fight between Darth Sidious and Darth Plagueis? You mean DE? Or will the desire of one to rule supreme, and the dream of another to live forever, sow the seeds of their destruction? if plagueis had lived longer he probably would have tried to become stronger and stronger so palpatine had to stop him while he could. But here I was moaning and groaning about how just last year we were given a comic series that involved an assassination attempt on the Emperor as a plot point (Ghost Prison), only for the fifth issue of Ninth Assassin to turn that on its head within its own narrative. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. For the record, I disagree with any suggestions that DE Sidious would stomp Plagueis. When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. In my opinion, Palpatine would win very convincingly but not stomp him. The Elder Scrolls metaphysics & philosophy, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis?oldid=6619789. This is where the "most powerful Sith Lord" in history accolades start rolling in, outright stating that he's surpassed Plagueis in power. That quote absolutely doesn't apply to Legends content. But, yeah, image and blog glitches have been my bane here. I suppose it really depends on what your definition of "stomp" is. Darth Plagueis ja Darth Sidious. @darthvenki: I'm not so sure about "logically being ahead'. Round 3: Don't really know anything about OT Palpatine. As master and disciple, Plagueis and Palpatine—who took the Sith moniker Darth Sidious—worked together, trying to unlock the secrets of immortality and to execute their order's long-percolating plan of supplanting the Galactic Republic with a new Sith Empire. Spoiler alert. As of TPM, which is the one I'm most interested in debating in, I did make a blog about this where I addressed everything feat-for-feat and tried to draw comparisons from that: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/could-darth-sidious-have-killed-darth-plagueis-in-/97437/. Do you mind bringing up some of the sources that imply/say that? Reasons : This is larger problem then some would make it out to be, and in an extended bout of force energy, the unreliability of his clone bodies would cause his peril. ... including through the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the story that Sidious uses to render the Dark Side absolutely irresistible to … Because thats the only version of Sidious that would destroy. 0. I think I'll go with Lord Palpatine on this one, he seems to have more and better showings. —Darth Plagueis. 0. When does Sidious learn essence transfer? 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