See ya!" We've seen that a Juyo/Vaapad user can overpower even a Djem-so user, and Djem-so is actually a form that relies on physical strength by using the Force; Any other form, other than perhaps Soresu, has no chance to deflect ''powerful blows'' of Juyo/Vaapad. Flip a coin - they're even. We know how much he emphasises on form, elegance and finesse above all else. Ok, let’s start with dueling feats. I think we should rely ourselves on the real cannon which are the tv movies and series . Mace Windu, he is the best with a lightsaber ever, and his force powers are top notch. Vos all but danced around Dooku, forcing the older man to whirl, strike, and block from every side. He totally was just not interested. telekinesis or lightning) allowed, victory is dictated purely through unarmed combat. lol. The main difference between the two is that Makashi is more precise and energy efficient, while Vaapad was taxing and broad. Mace is second only to Yoda as a fighter, superior to even the likes of Sidious and Dooku. Re: Mace Windu & Count Dooku Vs Darth Vader (Knightfall) on March 17th 2020, 11:54 pm Probably for the same reason post-fall Anakin - an ally of Sheev's - was included. Dooku and Windu met in the old canon and Dooku fled. Remember that later Sidious will lose again to Darth Vader apprentice. Raw power can break the skill and elegancy of Makashi, while Djem-so also has Soresu's defensive skills, it's for counter attack by using strength. Dooku has Force Lightning, powerful TK and Force Cloak (to hide his signature from Vaapad's dark-side channeling). I think they are on par, especially if Mace relies on Vaapad, which he should because it is his best form and he would need his best against Dooku. "No, no!" Mace plays it cool like Jules and eats a Royale with Cheese while giving Plo Koon a foot rub, watching as the other two tire each other off. ''The Form VII (Juyo/Vaapad) practitioner fights with controlled fury, laying about with a combination of frenzied, rapid strikes and powerful blows.''. Both Soresu (form III) and Ataru (form IV) comes after form II, you may think that those two Soresu and Ataru should be more advanced than makashi, it's, because Ataru is faster than makashi, and Soresu has far better defenses, but none of these fighting styles are for dueling only, makashi is. So he would prevail even if Dooku did not tire quickly, albeit in a tight match. But Juyo and Djem So definitely pose an issue for him, mostly because of his lack of stamina. About Mace vs. Dooku: Mace is far too dependent upon Vaapad. Just a question. Form VII Juyo/Vaapad is the ''most unpredictable'' form of all lightsaber combat forms. Power vise Dooku has been stated to be either equal, which I don't believe, or comparable to Yoda that makes on par or better than Mace Saber vise Dooku's style makes him a perfect candidate for beating Mace, cold and calculated. Count Dooku was among the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars, so why didn't he have the yellow eyes that define so many of them?Few Star Wars villains are as instantly recognizable as Sith Lords. w00t2112. Personally I lean toward Dooku winning (but it really isn't much). Dooku for 6-7/10. Darth Tyrannus most certainly cannot. Mace's Vaapad would be mute, as Dooku was very cold and calm in his use of the dark side. If Mace were to fall back on one of the other forms I think Dooku would have even more of an advantage on him. Lucas claimed only Yoda AND Mace can rival Sidious. He couldn't possibly spend an extra couple minutes to do that. Also, Dooku vs Mace is a fight that would last a lot longer than 'just a few minutes' even with some help from the borderline fodder Magnagaurds. Dooku not only found out how to overcome this, but he became so adept … Also his Shatterpoint ability was cloudy and vague. English Smoker 8 years ago #2. It paid off. KMC Forums > Star Wars > Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe > Star Wars Versus Forum > Yoda vs Count Dooku vs Mace Windu. @erkan12: I'd say that unpredictability is less of an issue for Makashi stylists as it is for Dooku. However, you can assume that Mace would have won some of those sparring matches himself since they were considered equals, and stuff like lightning won't be of much consequence because Mace can absorb it with his lightsaber. What do you think? None of them have a decisive edge over the other, but based off feats and scaling I believe Windu is the slight superior even at this time. Mace Windu would head-butt him and then cut him in half. Vos started to choke Dooku again. He needed Anakin's help. Versions: Palpatine (ROTS), Vader (Just after ROTS), Dooku (ROTS) vs Luke (ROTJ), Yoda (ROTS), Mace (ROTS) Location: Mustafar. He was also described numerous times as Yoda's close equal in skill and power, and we all know Yoda beat Dooku in AotC. I don't think you're giving Dooku enough credit, Thorom. He LITERALLY said "you won't kill me, because I can run away! Restrictions: None. However, he's stronger, just as fast, and is just as skilled with a saber. Dooku never had a chance at beating Yoda (later on he lost to him on Vjun, a planet steeped in dark side powers, further cementing Yoda's superiority). And we know the 2 end battles are clearly not on the same level . '', '' The Star Wars Expanded Universe, on the other hand, is often reordered in levels of canonicity and time placement to make way for changes in the higher levels of canon. Like I said - it's a dead split. The same could be said for the other fights as well. He stalemated General Grievous in Labyrinth of Evil. And another big weakness of Makashi, is unpredictability. And what's the relation of Juyo/Vaapad and unpredictability? Not. "Mediocre? Than Windu fought and beat Dooku's master. Also did he ask Sidious, what if Anakin beats me ? Mace's capacity to rival Dooku in raw skill and non-speed physical traits is sufficient for him to present a challenge to Dooku every time and afford him the win several times. The answer is Form VIII (Juyo/Vaapad) and Form V (Djem-So). And when we see these 3 fight, we indeed see they were all in the same ballpark. @shootingnova: True enough for the most part although Kar one through superior raw power in the force not unlike how Anakin ran over Dooku with a display of raw power and aggression. Gamertag: LordMahemium - RIP Sparky Satanic Overlord of The Bar With No Name. "You need...an introduction...," Dooku choked out. The fight takes place in the Jedi Temple, but no other Jedi are around.Who is the more skilled force-user and lightsaber duelist? The only three people who have ever matched Windu in sword fighting are Yoda, Anakin, and Grievous, and Grievous has four light sabers, can attack 68 times per second. Oh, what the heck, I'll go with Mace. If obi-wan could not take on the sith lord , but he could take on Anakin ( according to Yoda ), than that means Dooku was on Anakin's / Kenobi's level . Re: Mace Windu & Count Dooku Vs Darth Vader (Knightfall) on March 20th 2020, 9:12 am The same Anakin couldn't over power Kenobi with TK, I doubt he's doing better with Mace. [1] ''. I have 3 proofing points that Windu > Dooku . The longer the fight lasts, the more likely Windu would prevail. While Makashi was developed only for dueling between the lightsaber users, and it has a perfect advantage against Ataru, because Makashi can easily take a better positioning advantage against Ataru's bullrush speed attacks, and spinning attacks, and acrobatic movements, it can tire the lightsaber user opponent during the fights by taking better positioning and leverage, as we've seen from Dooku's AotC Kenobi duel, AotC Kenobi had Dooku backing for a while, but Dooku's Makashi skills manage to take the advantage back against AotC Kenobi's Ataru, and he gets the advantage against him shortly after. And why? Who's got the lightsaber?" Only the slightest of edges could go to Dooku due to the fact he has beaten Mace Windu before in a sparring match, and because he's better with Force powers. But yeah. Because "the magnaguards will distract you while I make my departure". The one which is the most ferocious and aggressive one, by using the dark side of the Force; Juyo/Vaapad, Form VII, the most advanced form. Djem-so also focuses on physical strength, not only to defense. It has no offensive power or any attack power against Makashi, if it's dueling, Makashi also has advantage against Soresu. @kirkseven: yeah it's totally reasonable to be disinterested in killing a grand general of the republic and a master of the order of jedi council, if you have the ability to do it. Rooting for Count Dooku though. Dooku could has shown skill against unorthodox attacks as he would spar with Grevious constantly. I just have two questions. Find him. We know that Dooku couldn't find an answer for Quinlan Vos's very unpredictable fighting style during the duel, and Vos forced Dooku to block from every side; ''But Vos's characteristic unpredictability-quite possibly even to himself-often gave him the edge. Significantly more powerful, more skilled, and physically superior. Mace has got pretty good TK as well. When faced with an incredibly unpredictable opponent, Dooku might be unable to discern a way around their fighting style. It be awesome to see. Yoda himself made this comment of Count Dooku. Why Mace Windu REFUSED to KILL Count Dooku HERE - Star Wars Explained - YouTube In Star Wars Episode 2 Attack of the Clones - Mace Windu breaks the party up … Juyo/Vaapad stated to be more aggressive than Ataru, but it's not only based on speed and acrobatics like Ataru, it's more aggressive because it also relies on not only speed, also relies on strength, just like Djem-so. User Info: English Smoker. 1 ) Anakin cuts of Dooku's arms in the beginning of Rots means Dooku couldn't overpower Anakin, because Dooku would NEVER let anyone cut off his arms , we can assume Dooku did all he could there . Faster, roughly as skilful, noticeably more powerful. he just had the perfect style advantage as Dooku has here. Who would walk out alive? But I find this kind of odd because in the past he has stomped and easily defeated unpredictable enemies or characters wielding weapons that would make their fighting style unpredictable (lightsaber whip/energy whip). The battle wasn't exactly decisive, and Dooku withdrawing out of disinterest doesn't really mean anything. As well as Soresu, Shii-Cho none of these styles have any offensive power to threat Makashi's skills of taking better positioning, and fencing abilities. But Dooku is much older than Mace and though he does well with force augmentation he is still breaching ninty years of age. It's not a coincidence that both unpredictable fighters Vos and Savage has succeeded against Dooku in combat. ", ~ The Making of of Revenge of the Sith - Early Film Script, ~ The Making of Revenge of the Sith - Earlier Film Script. Does Grievous even have any real victories in the movie (and isn't he known for being underhanded most of the time to obtain victories). Also, to a lesser degree, those involved in making the film. Djem-so is confirmed to be a very good counter for Makashi, because of its ''kinetic power''. ''The highest level of Star Wars canon consists of the six released Star Wars theatrical feature films, along with the Star Warsanimated film and television series The Clone Wars. This would be one of those ugly drawn out fights like Anakin vs Obi Wan. Which is why when Dooku faced with Savage Opress, he got one-shotted because of Savage's physical strength; his elegant Makashi couldn't match with its powerful blow. vsWhat could we expect if Mofo Mace decided to engage Lord Tyranus at the end of AOTC? Dooku loses off the bat due to poor stamina. Conclusion: The reason I believe Count Dooku can best Mace Windu in a battle is due to Dooku's skill as a duelist as he is a master of Makashi and Mace's dueling form Vaapad fails to be effective against Dooku as Dooku doesn't let his anger or hate show in battle he always remains calm and collected. Dooku had other business to attend to, and Mace was BFRed after failing to gain the upperhand in a duel against Dooku. Where is there direct reference of Dooku' power over Windu's (in regards to Force abilities, that is). This is not a debatable topic. Not to mention, he literally said to Mace "you won't kill me. See Anakin vs Obi-Wan--a lot of why the fight was as close as it was was because the two knew each other extremely well. ''Unpredictability'' is also a shared trait with Savage's fighting style. Has been since before the Clone Wars began, it's nothing circumstantial. He can see and use shatter points, he's the temples Lightsaber master, and Vapaad can nullify most of the darkside effects. 5.5/10. Just imagine if it was Dooku instead of Anakin saving the Chancellor. Lets not forget that Windu took out Palpatine rather quickly in EPIII, but Yoda failed. Windu vs Dooku & Ventress on Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:03 am The Master of the Order, the second grand master, the one who beat Palpatine AKA the mighty Mace Windu takes on the senile Count Dooku and bald Asajj Ventress. However, Vaapad was an extremely taxing form of lightsaber combat, while Makashi was extremely energy efficient. Besides, in the film verse it's quite clear where Mace stands. Means Dooku is not as strong as Sidious because Dooku lost from Anakin . © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. I, without any real cause, kind of see them as equal. The two teams will start facing each other 10 feet away in the same place Obi-Wan vs Anakin started. The Count wins here in a magnificent fight. Count Dooku: Rival to Mace Windu, trainer to the legendary Jedi Killers General Grevious and Assaj Ventress, Leader of The Confederacy Of Independent Systems and Sith Lord/apprentice known as Darth Tyranus to the most powerful Sith Lord ever in Darth sidious. Windu was a sparring partner of Count Dooku, and is confirmed to have beaten him in the past. Sorry, but once again, this is NOT debatable. Yoda is the Jedi's Grand Master and he's ancient. Actually Dreadnaught thats not entirely true. As SUCH IT WAS A DRAW.The real fight would be Windu vs. Dooku- Dooku has beaten him before without the darkside as an ally. Does Mace's mastery of Vaapid outperform Dook http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/mace-windu-vs-count-dooku/15935/. To defeat Dooku by using Ataru, one must be above his power level, which Kenobi wasn't at that level, Yoda overpowered Dooku by simply being on a different level than him, which is why the stylistic advantage didn't mean anything for Dooku in that fight. Ok, this is a little speculative, and based mostly on my impression from the movies, but also from quotes by George Lucas, who, as you all know, invented the story in the first place. He has Vaapad, Juyo, Shatterpoint, and Force crush. Let me know in the comments below! This is not a dead even split. "Am I? Anakin's at least controlable.Betrayal is the ultimate fear of all Sith, as such thier decisions are rulled by it. Mace, good fight. "A team. That's why it's very hard for Force users to not to fall to the dark side while using Juyo, because they are abusing the Force with every move, which is why Windu created Vaapad, so he could use the same form without falling to the dark side of the Force. It's not like they were both alreafy there. When exactly did Dooku beat Windu and how? Not today." Are you referring to their duel on Boz Pity? Dooku is perfectly prepared to kill Master Windu. In legends it goes either way, but probably more towards Mace by ROTS. Mace, what was done to the Master can be done to the Apprentice. They stalemated and Dooku caused a distraction for Yoda by threatening the Jedi duo's lives and fled. One fell to the dark, while the other USED the dark while remained in the light. The upcoming feature film Star Wars Episode VII (along with Episode VIII and Episode IX) along with the upcoming television series Star Wars Rebels are also considered to be of the highest canon. They were widely considered to be on par with each other as Jedi, and Dooku had beaten Mace before (the reverse would most likely be true as well). And Windu overpowered the Sith Lord in Rots ( mentioned by George Lucas ). It's absolutely unbelievable that anyone would have second thoughts about the results. Again, they are on par. He is up there with Yoda and Dark Sidius, and He is better than them with a lightsaber. Not sure. However, Mace and Dooku have been compared before. Mace Windu vs Count Dooku; User Info: CruorComa. I never really paid any attention to your other points, as this is the only one I'm interested in addressing. Vos's fingers tightened. Knowledge: All canon knowledge from the time of ROTS. Dooku wheezed. ", "They stop as MACE forces PALPATINE to drop his sword. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Dooku calls him his master but he never really means it. There both very good, but i'd give the edge to Mace with his Vaapid. If he gets within range, there's no question... you're dead. without Vaapad Sidious would have won without much difficulty. Canon Mace doesn't have as good of a record as the legends versions and he even struggled against bounty hunters. Again, Vos slammed Dooku's head against the unyielding metal of the deck, this time with his hand around the older man's throat. Soresu was developed for ultimate defense and it's for deflecting blaster bolts and any other kind of attacks. Juyo/Vaapad (Form VII) and Djem-So (Form V) are the most troublesome 2 styles for Form II Makashi. And then-there it was. Fights between most of the main Jedi in the movies could go either way in my opinion. He did defeat the Emperor, too, who>Dooku obviously, and yeah, I know alot of people will say "the emperor feigned/let himself be in that position, but until it's actually shown/proven, then it's just opinion. Dooku is perfectly even with Windu in skill, is faster, and much more powerful. He would eventually defeat Sidious. I think Dooku is more skilled, but Windu should have the advantage here, due to vaapad and shatterpoints. The fight takes place in the Jedi Temple, but no other Jedi are around. So I'm kind of 50/50 on that. Vaapad and Shatterpoint are non-factors which only benefit him against fodder; Mace was unable to prevent himself from losing to Kar Vastor. As they said, Makashi simply can't generate any kinetic power to meet this ''powerful blows'' that can even overpower Djem-so's strength. Mace Windu. Mace's Vaapad, while fast and ferocious, would be nothing new to Dooku. That said, Vaapad is also incredibly powerful and Mace is considered to be one of the best Jedi in the Order. He's got shatterpoint, but that's inconsistent and vague. They seem to be pretty even to me. So he's more than beatable.Lastly, it could be argued that Windu was in fact not the orders greatest lightsaber duelist his old apprentice was. They can all use any power they want In diesem Star Wars Versus tritt Mace Windu gegen Count Dooku an und wir werden diskutieren wer in einem Kampf gegeneinander gewinnen würde. They're practically dead even, only way one can beat the other is by exploiting a mistake the other makes. Than Windu fought and beat Dooku's master. I have lost count how many times this has been done lol. on November 13th 2020, 9:07 am Windu and Dooku duke it out in a wrestling match, no lightsabers or offensive Force powers (e.g. We've seen Mace could cut down a giant Gundark vertically with only a single slash, this is an example of ''powerful blow'' of Juyo/Vaapad. Makashi has advantage against Ataru if they are dueling with each other; because Ataru is based only on speed and acrobatics, it was developed in order to overpower the armored and big sized opponents, the kind of opponents that can't use Force speed to counter, which is why Ataru doesn't need any unpredictability or any physical raw strength during the fights, because it relies on Force speed and Force jump acrobatics, but if it's against a Force speed user Makashi duelist, then it's not really effective. Mace. Mace takes it as easily as he took down the Emperor. 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